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    <title>CTRLALT313373.com - Google</title>
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    <description>.Net Wanderings</description>
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    <copyright>David A. Osborn</copyright>
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Now that Google has added IMAP to Google Apps and Gmail, see my previous <a href="http://weblog.ctrlalt313373.com/2007/10/25/GmailAddingIMAPSupport.aspx">post</a> for
more details, I have begun to switch over from my Hotmail account that I have been
using for about ten years now, to using an email address at my domain hosted on Google
Apps. Basically all I have been waiting for was the ability to access my Google Apps
email using Outlook 2007. Google Apps has had a POP interface, but it is extremely
horrible and downloads everything to your inbox, even the messages that you have sent.
This requires you to setup mail filters in Outlook to get your messages where they
should be which I have no urge of creating and maintaining just to get my emails into
the folders where they should be at in the first place. About a month ago I had considered
developing a service that pulled messages from Gmail and translated the file structure
to a decent IMAP layout, but now Google has beat me there. The tagged style of messages
in the Gmail/Google Apps Email web interface translates into folders on the client
side. As shown in the screenshot below, the All Mail, Drafts, Sent Mail, Spam, Starred,
and Trash folders are standard Gmail folders. The 1and1 and Admin folders are labels
that I have created that show up as folder on the client side. Then I have my Inbox.
One issue that I have noticed is that when I add a new label to the web interface
I have to right click on my account in Outlook 2007 and select Update Folder List
in order for the new folder to show up, but I assume the new folder would eventually
show up on its own if I was patient. 
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        <p>
Of course, Google App Email/Gmail's web interface is fairly feature rich and handles
things a bit differently then Outlook so there are some feature lost when using a
client application and some features are represented differently in the client application.
For instance, It Outlook 2007 you can flag an email, but in the web interface these
emails will show up as starred. 
</p>
        <p>
          <em>Outlook 2007 view </em>
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          <em>Google Apps Email View </em>
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Also in Google Apps Email/Gmail you have the ability to mark and email with multiple
labels. For example in the below screenshot this test email is label, Inbox, 1and1,
and Admin: 
</p>
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        </p>
        <p>
Google Apps Label View 
</p>
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          <img src="http://weblog.ctrlalt313373.com/content/binary/110307_1643_GoogleIMAPw4.png" alt="" />
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On the Outlook 2007 side this email also shows up in the Inbox folder, the 1and1 folder,
and the Admin folder. If I create a new label in the web interface called Test, which
creates a corresponding folder on my client side and copy the instance of the email
in the 1and1 folder to the Test folder on the clients side this is reflected on the
web interface as removing the 1and1 label from the email and adding the Test label
to it. If I delete this email on the web interface side it will be removed from all
folders on the client side and placed in the Trash folder. Moving an email to the
trash folder on the client side will also move it to the trash folder on the web interface
side. 
</p>
        <p>
Hopefully this gives you a basic understanding of the interaction between Outlook
and Google Apps Email. I will be happy when I finally get completely switched off
of my Hotmail account, but at least for awhile it looks like I am going to have a
bit of a split personality. 
</p>
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      <title>Google IMAP with Outlook 2007</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:43:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;
Now that Google has added IMAP to Google Apps and Gmail, see my previous &lt;a href="http://weblog.ctrlalt313373.com/2007/10/25/GmailAddingIMAPSupport.aspx"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; for
more details, I have begun to switch over from my Hotmail account that I have been
using for about ten years now, to using an email address at my domain hosted on Google
Apps. Basically all I have been waiting for was the ability to access my Google Apps
email using Outlook 2007. Google Apps has had a POP interface, but it is extremely
horrible and downloads everything to your inbox, even the messages that you have sent.
This requires you to setup mail filters in Outlook to get your messages where they
should be which I have no urge of creating and maintaining just to get my emails into
the folders where they should be at in the first place. About a month ago I had considered
developing a service that pulled messages from Gmail and translated the file structure
to a decent IMAP layout, but now Google has beat me there. The tagged style of messages
in the Gmail/Google Apps Email web interface translates into folders on the client
side. As shown in the screenshot below, the All Mail, Drafts, Sent Mail, Spam, Starred,
and Trash folders are standard Gmail folders. The 1and1 and Admin folders are labels
that I have created that show up as folder on the client side. Then I have my Inbox.
One issue that I have noticed is that when I add a new label to the web interface
I have to right click on my account in Outlook 2007 and select Update Folder List
in order for the new folder to show up, but I assume the new folder would eventually
show up on its own if I was patient. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;img src="http://weblog.ctrlalt313373.com/content/binary/110307_1643_GoogleIMAPw1.png" alt="" /&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Of course, Google App Email/Gmail's web interface is fairly feature rich and handles
things a bit differently then Outlook so there are some feature lost when using a
client application and some features are represented differently in the client application.
For instance, It Outlook 2007 you can flag an email, but in the web interface these
emails will show up as starred. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Outlook 2007 view &lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;img src="http://weblog.ctrlalt313373.com/content/binary/110307_1643_GoogleIMAPw2.png" alt="" /&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Google Apps Email View &lt;/em&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;img src="http://weblog.ctrlalt313373.com/content/binary/110307_1643_GoogleIMAPw3.png" alt="" /&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Also in Google Apps Email/Gmail you have the ability to mark and email with multiple
labels. For example in the below screenshot this test email is label, Inbox, 1and1,
and Admin: 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Google Apps Label View 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;img src="http://weblog.ctrlalt313373.com/content/binary/110307_1643_GoogleIMAPw4.png" alt="" /&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
On the Outlook 2007 side this email also shows up in the Inbox folder, the 1and1 folder,
and the Admin folder. If I create a new label in the web interface called Test, which
creates a corresponding folder on my client side and copy the instance of the email
in the 1and1 folder to the Test folder on the clients side this is reflected on the
web interface as removing the 1and1 label from the email and adding the Test label
to it. If I delete this email on the web interface side it will be removed from all
folders on the client side and placed in the Trash folder. Moving an email to the
trash folder on the client side will also move it to the trash folder on the web interface
side. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Hopefully this gives you a basic understanding of the interaction between Outlook
and Google Apps Email. I will be happy when I finally get completely switched off
of my Hotmail account, but at least for awhile it looks like I am going to have a
bit of a split personality. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
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        <p>
Google is full of information about individuals, but when do I have the moral right
to look for it and when don't I? I know that within ten minutes, if you live in Iowa
and I only have your first and last name I can pull up all of your court records and
see what brushes with the law you have had. If you live in Polk County in Iowa I can
find out if you own a home, how many bathrooms it has, if you have a swimming pool,
what tax credits you are getting on it, and how much it is worth. I can then pull
up the sex offender's registry and see if you are on it, or check out whom in your
neighborhood is on it. If I have your email address I can search for it in Google
groups and find out what topics you like to talk about. Finally I can plug your name
into Google and see what else I can find. I did this a few weeks ago on someone and
found out their birthday, what church they went to, and that they had recently competed
in a triathlon. 
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Sure I know that I have the legal right to pull this up whenever I want, but when
do I have the moral right to? Does a parent have the moral right to Google someone
who is watching their kid? Does a coworker have the right to know how many speeding
ticket the person in the cube next to them has, or if they have an OWI? Is it alright
to Google your blind date before you ever meet them? What about a potential employer
finding a MySpace or Twitter page? It has come to the point when you need to be aware
of what information is out there about you. I know if you Google me you're going to
find sites like <a href="http://www.osborn2rock.com/">Osborn2Rock</a> for the band
of a guy in California that has the same name as me, and unfortunately information
about a guy who wrote a book about hunting squirrels with dogs. Anybody searching
for only my first and last name could potential thinking that any of these hits were
me and misjudge me completely. When the information is freely available do we have
to make ourselves responsible for using it properly? What do you think? 
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          <em>"With great power comes great responsibility." </em>
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      <title>The Morality of Googling</title>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:33:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <description>&lt;p&gt;
Google is full of information about individuals, but when do I have the moral right
to look for it and when don't I? I know that within ten minutes, if you live in Iowa
and I only have your first and last name I can pull up all of your court records and
see what brushes with the law you have had. If you live in Polk County in Iowa I can
find out if you own a home, how many bathrooms it has, if you have a swimming pool,
what tax credits you are getting on it, and how much it is worth. I can then pull
up the sex offender's registry and see if you are on it, or check out whom in your
neighborhood is on it. If I have your email address I can search for it in Google
groups and find out what topics you like to talk about. Finally I can plug your name
into Google and see what else I can find. I did this a few weeks ago on someone and
found out their birthday, what church they went to, and that they had recently competed
in a triathlon. 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Sure I know that I have the legal right to pull this up whenever I want, but when
do I have the moral right to? Does a parent have the moral right to Google someone
who is watching their kid? Does a coworker have the right to know how many speeding
ticket the person in the cube next to them has, or if they have an OWI? Is it alright
to Google your blind date before you ever meet them? What about a potential employer
finding a MySpace or Twitter page? It has come to the point when you need to be aware
of what information is out there about you. I know if you Google me you're going to
find sites like &lt;a href="http://www.osborn2rock.com/"&gt;Osborn2Rock&lt;/a&gt; for the band
of a guy in California that has the same name as me, and unfortunately information
about a guy who wrote a book about hunting squirrels with dogs. Anybody searching
for only my first and last name could potential thinking that any of these hits were
me and misjudge me completely. When the information is freely available do we have
to make ourselves responsible for using it properly? What do you think? 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;em&gt;"With great power comes great responsibility." &lt;/em&gt;
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